The question was:
Just WHO’s Universe IS this anyway
My response was as follows:
Maybe it’s ours!
Maybe God created it for us and it’s His gift to us.
Ours is to explore and understand it, and through that endeavor, understand Him?Just a thought.
Later, in response to a another commenter's positive response I further qualified my statement with following:
LWBUT then asked me:
I should qualify my earlier statement:
I didn’t mean to say God created it only for us (humanity)…there may well be other intelligences in the Universe… it would be theirs too. And why not…
All evidence suggests it’s a really BIG place!!
could you please ‘explain’ to J just how you ‘arrived’ at….(my response to LWBUT's question)This little diatribe is my endeavor to do just that!
First, let me relay a bit of United States political history. Back in May of 2001 one of the US Senators from Vermont, Jim Jeffords, left the Republican Party and became an Independent. He decided to leave because he could not in good conscience reconcile his personal values with those of the Republican Party. Think about the courage of that course of action. He decided to become an Independent and for the purposes organization he would caucus with the Democrats.
Now you are no doubt asking:
"What the Hell does this have to do with you Robert? Why are you relaying this bit of history?"
This is not a decision I took lightly! There are many reasons why I came to this action. Now, I'll try to outline them.
Over many years I came to a realization:
There are many instances in both the Old and New Testaments that describe God with many human faults and failings.
I am not going to outline them here, for that is not the purpose of this entry.
These human faults and failings that are being used to describe God, demean the very idea of God.
This my first statement of personal belief:
"1. I do not believe in the existence of GOD as described in any version of the Christian Bible, Old and/or New testaments, nor the Islamic Koran."
All Christians, whether they admit to it or not, are atheists with regards to belief in other Gods described by different religious traditions.
The difference between myself and one of those Christians is I add one more God to my list of mythological Gods.
Now please read that statement again. Is there anything in there that implicitly or explicitly says: "There is NO God!"
I can't find any way to twist it to make such a claim!
My contention is that no one can make a statement like, "There is NO god", and then prove the assertion using logic and reason.
Most atheists assert something different.
A thinking atheist will say: "I have no evidence to logically and reasonably support the existence of a God."
That is not to say that no such evidence exists. There may very well be physical evidence of a supreme being. It hasn't been found yet.
Some philosophical theists may take issue with that statement which they are free to do. They'll say that there are many good arguments for the existence of God:
Cosmological · Ontological · Transcendental · Teleological
The first three seem, to me anyway, more based on philosophical or religious sophistry.
Well maybe. Even if any or all of these arguments are correct or valid, does it logically follow from any of them that the Christian concept of God is real?
The answer is a resounding NO!
These arguments do nothing to advance a proof of the Christian God. They are concerned with the general idea of God, not the specific Christan God.
The Christian idea of God is only supported by the Bible, a book of questionable authorship translated multiple times over 2000 years. Realistically you cannot appeal to logic and/or reason for it's defense. It is, by definition, a matter of faith.
If your belief in God is routed in your faith in the Bible and you are comfortable with that, I cannot argue with that nor would I try to. True faith is beyond the scope of logic and reason. If however you are trying to argue for the truth of Christianity from the standpoint of logic and reason, I'm sorry, but you're trying build a fortress on shifting sand.
Now you may be asking:
"So what is it that you believe in Robert?!"That's a valid question.
I'm still searching for a closer approximation to God.
I don't know for sure what the nature of God is.
I have come to another statement of belief with the help of Mr. Sagan:
2. "I believe that we are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
How does anything I just said demean us?
I think it makes life more precious, more priceless.
But what is our purpose?
Where did this Cosmos and the natural laws that govern it come from?
The short answer?
I don't know.
But I think that this mystery is the essence of the God question.
It brings me to my "House Rules"
The Cosmos and our existence in it is a gift from God!I hope this helps you to understand me a bit more.
The Cosmos belongs to all of us who are conscious and who are able to appreciate its beauty.
Through the exploration and eventually understanding of this Cosmos we will come to understand that which is responsible for its existence, God if you like.
"We can walk our road together
If our goals are all the same.
We can run alone and free
If we pursue a different aim.
Let the truth of love be lighted,
Let the love of truth shine clear.
Sensibility, armed with sense and liberty,
With the Heart and Mind united in a single perfect Sphere."
- Neil Peart from "Hemispheres"